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BOY SCOUT DECISION

July 24th, 2012 by Michael Tabor

Written by guest blogger: Le duke de fromage

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Recently the national council for the Boy Scouts of America announced that after a two year study gays would not be allowed to join that esteemed organization.This decision includes youth and scout masters. Judging the merits of this decision would probably involve a two-year argument on the wisdom on such a conclusion. With gay marriage legal in some states and the military finally accepting that gays do exist this announcement is a setback for the gay rights movement.In contrast the Girl Scouts of America do accept lesbians as both leaders and members.I guess this means that males are more prone to seduce and corrupt than females, or possibly the Girl Scouts are more enlightened than their male counterparts.

According to the F.B.I. and several clinical studies published in medical journals, gay men are no more likely than heterosexual men to sexually abuse young boys. Is the Boy Scout council confusing pedophilia with homosexuality? They claim no.There is however a strong possibility that pressure from its three largest scout membership groups is influencing its decision. These are the United Methodist Church, the Mormon Church, and the Roman Catholic Church. These three combined may have more influence on the decision than any Scout organization policy or that the Scout organization would admit.Truth be told both membership and donations are down because of this single decision, with various groups denouncing this discriminating policy. No-one would deny that child abuse is a heinous crime destroying not only the innocence of youth but is also a life-altering act that has far reaching consequences.However,to relate it to gays simply does not make sense.Therefore,I assume that being gay is reason enough to be refused admittance to their organization.

For a period in my youth ,I was a member of the Boy Scout organization. Based on that experience I do not know why an openly gay youth would want to become a member. It certainly would not be to meet other gays.However, they should have the right to join if they wish.There are just too many other obstacles in life that one must overcome without starting that young to battle them, even more so if you are gay. So Whadayouthink? Should gays be allowed in the scouts or should they remain on the outside and not allowed in the hallowed halls of scouting?

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24 Responses to “BOY SCOUT DECISION”

  1. magdalena Says:

    The decision rendered by the Boy Scouts organization makes them appear archaic and outdated in their thinking, and will only result in further decline of its membership. Most people do not want their children to be raised in bigotry and the organization, by allowing the church to interfere and wield its power where it has no business, makes them an inferior group by today’s standards. A gay male or female is no more likely to molest another human beig than a straight person. If society deems it plausible for for a gay couple to raise a child, I fail to see where this organization is coming from. Sad decision making indeed.

  2. Sal Paradise Says:

    Important statement, Le Duke, but I believe the BSA’s reactionary decision more a setback to that increasingly marginalized and irrelevant organization than to the overall human rights movement, of which orientation rights is but one fundamental aspect. As long as organized religion holds a prominent place in a groups’ mission statement, or board of directors, there are always going to be exclusionary criteria for even the most seemingly innocuous or beneficial entities. Such is the nature of religion: graced or fallen; believer or apostate; saved or damned; us and them. The appeal of being special, blessed or chosen is profoundly seductive, and nothing inculcates and perpetuates the illusion like religion.

  3. Anonymous Says:

    The only disagreement to your column is the statement regarding heterosexual pedophiles in the studies which are flawed. These are people like Sandusky who live a lie and claim to be heterosexual and get married only to hide their pedophilia. They are no more heterosexual than you or I.

  4. Michael Tabor Says:

    Sal, you really nailed this one; I think you know where I stand in terms of commingling religion and shaping public policy – & like you said even something as innocuous and even beneficial as the Boy scouts of America, throwing in God can spell disaster.

    On the other hand, I agree with Le Duke in terms of allowing EVERYONE to be be able to join the boyscouts. I thought it was quite humorous when you mentioned the fact about why a gay person would want to join in the 1st place; I mean the homophopia in the boyscouts is off the charts. hetero or homo, pathological pedophilia is everywhere; what the study is suggesting is that homosexuals have a higher proclivity to engage in heinous predatory behavior toward prepubescent children.
    This is digressing a bit, but allow me to throw this out there. Many of the predators are not in the truest sense – pedophiles (interested in children b4 the onset of puberty). If you look @ the catholic church, most of the victims were in the middle of puberty. A normal heterosexual male can have sexual thought about a girl who has gone through puberty even if she is only 17 (just look @ Elvis and Prescilla; I think she was 12 when they met). I’m assuming it’s the same with homosexuals.

  5. RICK Says:

    Whats this world coming too? Where were these issues 20 years ago? Everyones feeling are hurt. Everyone owes someone an apology. Men want to wear dresses. Women want to wear jock straps. Come on people. Get a life.

  6. Sal Paradise Says:

    Your point being what, Rick? And who’s asking for an apology? If people could simply be whomever or whatever the hell they wanted to be without imposing on that same right of others all of this endless dialogue and debate would be immediately rendered meaningless and obsolete.

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  8. RICK Says:

    Sal- The gay fight is getting into everything (Its getting overwhelming). As long as there is straight people (Which will always be the majority) outfits like the boy scouts will enforce their own policies in a free society. Do you really think this policy will hurt the boy scouts or re enforce family values and make them stronger. I believe in gay rights, but I also believe organizations should be able to set theie own rules. Lets face it, if the gays opened up another wing of boy scouts just so they could teach, lead and attend. It would fail.

  9. Michael Tabor Says:

    I agree with you here Rick – as Le Duke said, why would a homosexual want to join the boy scouts anyway ? Obviously, if you’re gay you’re gay and if you want to join the boy scouts – go ahead.

  10. magdalena tabor Says:

    Now we’re sterotyping gay people. Who says you have to be masculine to enjoy the great outdoors? Let’s not forget that macho male figure Rock Hudson. Who knew? The whole point is no one should be alienated from a group simply because of their sexual preference.

  11. rick Says:

    What does sexual preference have to do with the boy scouts? Absoutely nothing. So keep your sexual preference to yourself.OK YOUR GAY. WE GET IT.WHO CARES?BE YOURSELF. You can’t force your lifestyle on the majority and expect them to welcome you with open arms. This is a sexual preference and not a race exclusion. Parents want to teach their children say ( a belief in God) along comes a gay man talking about his partner and how little boys can have boy friends too. Kids are too confused as it is. Everything should be up to the parents of these kids. Nothing else and to all you liberal teachers out there, the same with your political beliefs. Most of you don’t give 2 sides to the story.

  12. magdalena Says:

    Wow. A clear case of homophobia. Next.

  13. rick Says:

    Magdalena:OK YOUR GAY. WE GET IT.WHO CARES?BE YOURSELF. You can’t force your lifestyle on the majority and expect them to welcome you with open arms.

    I guess this means homophobia? The fear of the parent is based on what I said. If you don’t think so, your from Jupiter.

  14. Michael Tabor Says:

    Hey Rick – BTW, Magadalena is not gay, she’s my wife; I’m assuming u were speaking generally. But, Rick the issue is not pushing one’s sexual orientation onto another, but rather mere acceptance. Our society is thankfully becoming a whole lot better in this regard but we still have a long way to go. Not unlike every other minority group, the Italians, Polish, WOMEN (B4 suffrage)etc., it may appear that there is an agenda but all everyone wants is acceptance and a level playing field.

  15. magdalena tabor Says:

    Well said. Michael.

  16. le duke de fromage Says:

    Several points to consider
    1. In a free society people should be allowed to join any national organization they want. Common sense should dictate if they are comfortable within that group.

    2.This decision by the Boy Scouts has already hurt them with membership and donations down.

    3.Gays are not allowed to form their own Boy Scout troops because the national organization will not allow it.

    In our so called free society exclusions of any minority will always remain an issue, wether it be women, blacks, gays, or handicapped. The only true solution is an acceptance and tolerance on everyone’s part.

  17. RICK Says:

    IM TALKING TO THE GENERAL GAY PUBLIC…… YOU 2 ARE FUNNY. DONATIONS ARE DOWN BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY. I SAY GAYS BE A BOY SCOUT OR A GIRL SCOUT! JUST DON’T FORCE YOUR LIFESTYLE ON THE KIDS.

  18. RICK Says:

    Your wife might not be, but I heard your in the closet……………… Just kidding

  19. RICK Says:

    DUKE REPLIES
    1. In a free society people should be allowed to join any national organization they want. Common sense should dictate if they are comfortable within that group. OK

    2.This decision by the Boy Scouts has already hurt them with membership and donations down. THE ECONOMY IS HURTING ALL ENTERPRISES.

    3.Gays are not allowed to form their own Boy Scout troops because the national organization will not allow it. WELL THEY CAN OPEN UP THEIR OWN ORGANIZATION ITS A FREE COUNTRY. IF THEY DONT LIKE THE RULES>

    In our so called free society exclusions of any minority will always remain an issue, wether it be women, blacks, gays, or handicapped. The only true solution is an acceptance and tolerance on everyone’s part.
    GAY IS A SEXUAL PREFERENCE NOT A MINORITY. THE WORD MINORITY IS RACIST AND BIGGETED AND THE LIBERALS BASICALLY SAY MINORITIES CANT DO IT ON THEIR OWN< THEREFORE WE BEING ABOVE THEM MUST INTERCEED.
    TOLERANCE IS FINE. BUT WHO DETERMINES WHEN THE LINE HAS BEEN CROSSED.

  20. Michael Tabor Says:

    Hi Rick,

    I agree with you in terms of a private enterprise, like the boy scouts of America, having a right to do whatever they want including discriminating against gays, atheists and women, but we also have the 1st amendment right to express outrage at such a prodigiously bigoted position. By the way Rick, homosexuality is not a choice nor is it an aberration. Homosexuals are a minority (10% of the population) but they are not aliens, every single spieces on the planet has a certain percentage of its kind which has a proclivity to engage in homosexual behavior. Who cares if one is gay or not ? That’s the whole gist of the problem; a gigantic successful organization like the Boy Scouts of America shouldn’t either. Btw the definition of bogotry per OED is – stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own.

    Always enjoy opposing views , Rick. Keep coming back.

  21. Rick Says:

    Whos next polygamists & bestiality. Oh yes Mike their minorities too. Next thing you know farmers will be marrying their cows all over the fruited plain and their 3 sister-in-laws. Now lets pick on the Chicken guy who doen’t believe in gay marriage.

  22. Michael Tabor Says:

    Now you’re being silly Rick. Btw, studies indicate that homosexuals are no more disposed to Pedophilia as are Heterosexuals. Here is something interesting: Most people think that a pedophile is defined as a person who is sexually attracted to young boys & girls. This is true of course, but what makes it pathological is that a true pedophile is sexually attracted to PREPUBESCENT boys & girls. There are some women who are 15 who don’t look 15 (have gone through puberty), and to have sexual thoughts towards such an individual is actually not an aberration, but one must not ACT on those thoughts or in the slammer you go – Statutory rape, even with consent. You know what’s weird is Elvis Presley mey Prescilla when she was 12 years old – lol.

  23. Rick Says:

    Silly? Now Mike, but if you change the definition for 1 group of people who could could be next. Did you ever think an opinion on gay marriage would cause government facist boycotts on Chick-Fil-A ? Would Gay marriage be on the table 20 years ago? and how can we determine whats next? Its socially acceptable by some to be bisexual. Are these people as well protected by (The minority law you claim) What if they say they have equal love for their partners and therefore demand a civil union or marriage.

  24. Rick Says:

    You libs are opening up a can of worms in a society in demise. The family already is breaking apart and children are feeling the affacts. This trend is not good. The values of family are being destroyed.

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